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Marc,
Your example of Condi Rice confuses me. Yes, black neoconservatives would be a small base from which to start a political movement (one note: she's not a neoconservative, but that's another debate). However, she, unlike Andrew Sullivan, has not demanded an entire category of voters/activists/writers be expelled from the conservative movement.
Presumably, Sullivan wants a conservative movement that does not allow the demands of orthodox faith to influence public policy -- this would include, I imagine, an acceptance of same-sex marriage, softening pro-life positions, etc. That's fine if that's what he wants -- I'm simply pointing out the political reality that large segments of conservative voters disagree with him on those issues.
You are right -- most of his readers probably aren't gay. What's your point? They read him because he is an intelligent commentator on a wide range of issues. They don't have to agree with him on everything to read him. In fact, I would hope most of us read people we don't agree with.
Also, you make my point in your post: Condi's position on abortion, as you say, is important to many conservative voters. You are free to think that's a bad thing for the movement, but certainly that should indicate what alot of conservatives think, and should clue you in as to what might happen in electoral terms if she were to run. Sullivan has certain positions on same-sex marriage that most conservatives -- and most of the country -- disagree with. You are free to think that is a bad thing for the movement. I, again, am simply pointing out certain political realities. If we took Sullivan's advice and kicked all the religious folks out of the movement -- the "theocons" -- and all we were left with were people who held to his views -- pro-same-sex marriage, smaller government, etc -- I think the conservative movement would cease to be viable politically and a lot of important people in the movement (or who were in the movement), from Buckley to Reagan, might be lost in the process.
And, as usual, my primary assertion, that religious faith has always been prominent in the conservative movement, has not been discussed one bit.
Your example of Condi Rice confuses me. Yes, black neoconservatives would be a small base from which to start a political movement (one note: she's not a neoconservative, but that's another debate). However, she, unlike Andrew Sullivan, has not demanded an entire category of voters/activists/writers be expelled from the conservative movement.
Presumably, Sullivan wants a conservative movement that does not allow the demands of orthodox faith to influence public policy -- this would include, I imagine, an acceptance of same-sex marriage, softening pro-life positions, etc. That's fine if that's what he wants -- I'm simply pointing out the political reality that large segments of conservative voters disagree with him on those issues.
You are right -- most of his readers probably aren't gay. What's your point? They read him because he is an intelligent commentator on a wide range of issues. They don't have to agree with him on everything to read him. In fact, I would hope most of us read people we don't agree with.
Also, you make my point in your post: Condi's position on abortion, as you say, is important to many conservative voters. You are free to think that's a bad thing for the movement, but certainly that should indicate what alot of conservatives think, and should clue you in as to what might happen in electoral terms if she were to run. Sullivan has certain positions on same-sex marriage that most conservatives -- and most of the country -- disagree with. You are free to think that is a bad thing for the movement. I, again, am simply pointing out certain political realities. If we took Sullivan's advice and kicked all the religious folks out of the movement -- the "theocons" -- and all we were left with were people who held to his views -- pro-same-sex marriage, smaller government, etc -- I think the conservative movement would cease to be viable politically and a lot of important people in the movement (or who were in the movement), from Buckley to Reagan, might be lost in the process.
And, as usual, my primary assertion, that religious faith has always been prominent in the conservative movement, has not been discussed one bit.
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